[martyn3200]

I think it sounds good to incorporate some fades with the up faders during a session, but i currently only do it with baby scratches and tears. What's a good scratch to fade out like that?

Also does anybody know any techniques that incorporate both faders (with or without curve/reverse on the up fader). The best i've come up with is flares and crab flares, switching between faders. 

I found this video of prime cuts which is pretty crazy. Needless to say i can't pull off anything like this!

[DJ Tommy P]

martyn3200, on 11 June 2010 - 10:45 AM, said:

I think it sounds good to incorporate some fades with the up faders during a session, but i currently only do it with baby scratches and tears. What's a good scratch to fade out like that?

Also does anybody know any techniques that incorporate both faders (with or without curve/reverse on the up fader). The best i've come up with is flares and crab flares, switching between faders.

I found this video of prime cuts which is pretty crazy. Needless to say i can't pull off anything like this!

Yo man if you do like any combo and add a short no fader section on the end (I often use release to drag) you can cut the difficult combo on the sharp CF curve they fade it out a little after each combo with the upfader during the no fader section.

[nooneuseful]

one handed euros:
the problem with one handed euros is, that you have to twist your hand quite unnaturally and it takes a moment to get into it
...so far i see them as a nice showoff trick but not very useful for freestyle scratching

you can see one handed euros with tears combos in the following video @ 2:45
http://www.youtube.c...u/2/ORcybLEMqlI

the thing is, with the rane ttm57sl you can configure the joystick to cut out in both directions - this just feels so much better then twisting your arm with one handed euros, but you still have to leave the crossfader with your hand, and this just takes out the flow for me atm


index finger on the line fader method:
this is quite cool as well, check it out in this video @ the end ~ 1:15
http://www.youtube.c...u/2/ORcybLEMqlI

[mr brown]

there's a much easier way of doing the euro scratch without twisting your hand like that, as long as you have curve control on your upfaders (which you need to do it either way anyhow)

[nooneuseful]

mr brown, on 15 June 2010 - 06:28 PM, said:

there's a much easier way of doing the euro scratch without twisting your hand like that, as long as you have curve control on your upfaders (which you need to do it either way anyhow)

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[Johnny 1 Move]

nooneuseful, on 15 June 2010 - 09:43 PM, said:

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Swap the left and right upfaders (with PGM swap or by plugging the left deck into the right channel and right in to left)

Set the crossfader to normal (but depending on your mixer you might have to set it to hamster to get it normal when the channels are swapped)

Set the upfader on the opposite side to the side you're cutting to an instant cut in at the bottom of the fader (which will actually control the side you're cutting cos it's swapped)

Cut non-hamster on the crossfader with your thumb and last two fingers, reach up and grab the upfader on the opposite side to the one you're scratching between your first 2 fingers. When you cut the crossfader in pull the upfader down which will cut the sound back out, when you cut the crossfader out push the upfader up.

E.g. for doing euros on the left deck... swap it so right channel controls left deck and set the right upfader to instant cut-in. Set the crossfader to cut the left deck in as you pull in to the centre from the right:

Open crossfader: sound cuts in
Close upfader: sound cuts out
Open upfader: sound cuts in
Close crossfader: sound cuts out

when you do this right it's really just two movements so you get on-off-on-off for 2 movements instead of just on-off so you get the euro double cut sound.

Watch some of Weevils vids for a demo...

[nooneuseful]

ahh k i get it, thx
that way i can actually do it like i am used to it from the fader setup, but ill use my fingers and not my whole hand, so i dont have to twist it

[Jam Burglar]

It's horseface!

But yeah, the channel swap is cool because it just gives you that much more access to both faders in close proximity. Tru-fades/mules are key to learn. Not as fancy as the euro-scratch but they're more usefull for me. I like to do fades on chirps/flares/chirp-flares. Anything that sounds fast and is constant so you can fade in and out.

[sm.ghanem]

Does anyone know any good ways of integrating the upfaders into beat-juggles? I can off-rock with the upfaders, and mute the sound with the upfaders, but it gets really confusing when I try anything more complicated - and it doesn't help that I juggle in hamster..

[Krush Danny]

the guy that developed the euro scratch is one sick dj, he has a miami bass set somewhere on the internet definitely worth a look.
actually just had a look, pretty tough to find, i can upload it if anyones interested?

[mr brown]

nooneuseful, on 15 June 2010 - 09:43 PM, said:

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set the cross fader to hamster and upfader to sharp cut in.

set your hand as in the picture below and move it from side to side, closing one fader as you open the other.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e231/mrbrownukt/P100804_164506.jpg

here's a quick sample of the sound you get, it's pretty sloppy (aint done this in ages) but you get the drift.

easy euro

[Dr Weevil]

I reckon if you cut regular then go with J1M's explanation, if you cut hamster Mr. Brown's is more useful...just to minimise the amount of stuff you need to change before doing it!

Also I tend to think of the euro as more flare than transform, i.e. starting open and cutting out of the sound.

[Doug Disco]

euro scratch was developed by some dood called Rob from Brighton?

[Mike-L]

Doug Disco, on 06 August 2010 - 11:22 AM, said:

euro scratch was developed by some dood called Rob from Brighton?

^^^

I think Prime Cuts invented it - but got the idea from Rob Euro. I remember seeing Prime cuts doing it in Leeds back in 1999 or 2000, just after the Vestax 07 had come out. Apparently Rob Euro said it'd would be great to scratch with one hand controlling two faders and Prime Cuts worked out how to configure the 07 to make it possible.Thats how I understand/remember it anyway.

Also Prime Cuts mainly scratched in hamster - but im sure he did the euro with a pgm reverse and a fader reverse - i.e. with the crossfader in a normal dircetion.

[Kian]

Mike-L, on 06 August 2010 - 03:23 PM, said:

^^^

I think Prime Cuts invented it - but got the idea from Rob Euro. I remember seeing Prime cuts doing it in Leeds back in 1999 or 2000, just after the Vestax 07 had come out. Apparently Rob Euro said it'd would be great to scratch with one hand controlling two faders and Prime Cuts worked out how to configure the 07 to make it possible.Thats how I understand/remember it anyway.

i heard prime cuts crediting rob euro on a couple of skratch demo videos also

[Kian]

sm.ghanem, on 17 June 2010 - 09:55 PM, said:

Does anyone know any good ways of integrating the upfaders into beat-juggles? I can off-rock with the upfaders, and mute the sound with the upfaders, but it gets really confusing when I try anything more complicated - and it doesn't help that I juggle in hamster..

i have a horrible video of a beat juggle i made 3 years ago with upfader along with the juggle, lets see if i have the courage to link it up here muahaha

[Kian]

martyn3200, on 11 June 2010 - 10:45 AM, said:

 

I found this video of prime cuts which is pretty crazy. Needless to say i can't pull off anything like this!

it depends on which mixer your using. some battle mixers have their upfaders further apart, so the up and xfader is also further making this skratch harder to do. i took me a while to get euro down but it was useless (in my opinion) because there's just too much fader cuttings (muting/rest) and techniques were limited when you experiment it with record movement.

[Doug Disco]

lol just watched that video, realised prime cuts discussed rob and his euro's .

who needs a memory when you have google